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		<title>By: dana</title>
		<link>http://www.mochamomma.com/2007/11/07/11707/comment-page-1/#comment-37426</link>
		<dc:creator>dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m late with my comment, but holy cats.  I can&#039;t believe how that mom treated you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m late with my comment, but holy cats.  I can&#8217;t believe how that mom treated you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mocha Momma &#187; 11.13.07</title>
		<link>http://www.mochamomma.com/2007/11/07/11707/comment-page-1/#comment-37392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mocha Momma &#187; 11.13.07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tricia asked me a question on this post which led to this post and then she left this comment: Iâ€™ll have to read this again when I have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.mochamomma.com/2007/11/07/11707/comment-page-1/#comment-37354</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know these people or your school or you other than what I occasionally read here, but my initial reaction is that what these people are really saying is, &quot;There&#039;s no one here who we feel can relate to us.&quot;

Too often that sentiment comes out as someone saying that some one or another isn&#039;t &quot;really Black&quot; or &quot;Black enough&quot;  as though there is one definitive way to be Black and it can be attained by degrees or levels.

Of course there are a million different ways to &quot;be Black&quot; and we all find out own ways and often they have nothing at all to do with how other people think you should behave, look, think if you&#039;re Black.

But in these situation with students at your school, I have to wonder how much their belief that there aren&#039;t people in power who can relate to their lives and experiences contributes to their misbehavior.  When you don&#039;t think that people understand you, when you feel like your lifestyle, your culture is continually questioned, do you feel a need to assert those aspects of yourself?  Do you act out as a reaction to believing that you&#039;re not heard?

In the instance of the girl with the low-cut shirt and her mother.  Yes, the girl broke the rules, and yes, you went out of your way to do things that will most likely be good for her in the long run.  But, I understand why her mother hung up on you.  The reality is that some Black people see discrimination when it doesn&#039;t exist because they&#039;ve experienced so much real discrimination. To dismiss concerns of discrimination by off-handedly saying - &quot;I&#039;m Black,&quot; is pretty weak, and borderline offensive.  

It implies that Black people don&#039;t discriminate against other Black people - and you&#039;d have be almost intentionally dense to believe that. But mostly, it&#039;s a simple dismissal - and no one likes to have their concerns dismissed as being unworthy of discussion.

Even if that mother was wrong.  Even if there&#039;s no way that her daughter was being discriminated against in anyway - didn&#039;t she deserve to have that concern taken seriously for a moment?  Didn&#039;t she deserve to be reassured that this was not the case?  Because you know that she has probably faced plenty of situations where her perception of discrimination was spot on. And I think, from her point of view, that another Black person, who had been subjected to discrimination at some point in their lives would have been sensitive enough to recognize that and to treat her accordingly.  So dismissing her by saying, &quot;I&#039;m Black,&quot; was really a way of diminishing your Blackness rather than affirming it to her.

At least that&#039;s how it came across to me.  And I have certainly been on both sides of this coin.  Most often I&#039;ve been accused of being not Black enough, but I&#039;ve gotten &quot;too Black&quot; thrown at me too. Sometimes you can&#039;t win.  But sometimes you stack the cards against yourself too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know these people or your school or you other than what I occasionally read here, but my initial reaction is that what these people are really saying is, &#8220;There&#8217;s no one here who we feel can relate to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too often that sentiment comes out as someone saying that some one or another isn&#8217;t &#8220;really Black&#8221; or &#8220;Black enough&#8221;  as though there is one definitive way to be Black and it can be attained by degrees or levels.</p>
<p>Of course there are a million different ways to &#8220;be Black&#8221; and we all find out own ways and often they have nothing at all to do with how other people think you should behave, look, think if you&#8217;re Black.</p>
<p>But in these situation with students at your school, I have to wonder how much their belief that there aren&#8217;t people in power who can relate to their lives and experiences contributes to their misbehavior.  When you don&#8217;t think that people understand you, when you feel like your lifestyle, your culture is continually questioned, do you feel a need to assert those aspects of yourself?  Do you act out as a reaction to believing that you&#8217;re not heard?</p>
<p>In the instance of the girl with the low-cut shirt and her mother.  Yes, the girl broke the rules, and yes, you went out of your way to do things that will most likely be good for her in the long run.  But, I understand why her mother hung up on you.  The reality is that some Black people see discrimination when it doesn&#8217;t exist because they&#8217;ve experienced so much real discrimination. To dismiss concerns of discrimination by off-handedly saying &#8211; &#8220;I&#8217;m Black,&#8221; is pretty weak, and borderline offensive.  </p>
<p>It implies that Black people don&#8217;t discriminate against other Black people &#8211; and you&#8217;d have be almost intentionally dense to believe that. But mostly, it&#8217;s a simple dismissal &#8211; and no one likes to have their concerns dismissed as being unworthy of discussion.</p>
<p>Even if that mother was wrong.  Even if there&#8217;s no way that her daughter was being discriminated against in anyway &#8211; didn&#8217;t she deserve to have that concern taken seriously for a moment?  Didn&#8217;t she deserve to be reassured that this was not the case?  Because you know that she has probably faced plenty of situations where her perception of discrimination was spot on. And I think, from her point of view, that another Black person, who had been subjected to discrimination at some point in their lives would have been sensitive enough to recognize that and to treat her accordingly.  So dismissing her by saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m Black,&#8221; was really a way of diminishing your Blackness rather than affirming it to her.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s how it came across to me.  And I have certainly been on both sides of this coin.  Most often I&#8217;ve been accused of being not Black enough, but I&#8217;ve gotten &#8220;too Black&#8221; thrown at me too. Sometimes you can&#8217;t win.  But sometimes you stack the cards against yourself too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mocha Momma &#187; 11.8.07</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mocha Momma &#187; 11.8.07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could have written an entire post in yesterday&#8217;s comments about the questions I read so I&#8217;ll devote some space here instead. It&#8217;s not as if, for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Veggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so there is this Proclaimers (yeah, the 1000 Miles guys) song called Everybody&#039;s A Victim.  Its very fitting.  They also have one called Scotland&#039;s Story which is a nice warm fuzzy kind of thing.  My personal favorite is still She Arouses Me So, but thats another story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so there is this Proclaimers (yeah, the 1000 Miles guys) song called Everybody&#8217;s A Victim.  Its very fitting.  They also have one called Scotland&#8217;s Story which is a nice warm fuzzy kind of thing.  My personal favorite is still She Arouses Me So, but thats another story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with banging your head on the desk is that all you&#039;ll get is a headache. I recommend the vat of coffee. You&#039;re doing right by those kids, Mocha, whether their mamas realize it or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with banging your head on the desk is that all you&#8217;ll get is a headache. I recommend the vat of coffee. You&#8217;re doing right by those kids, Mocha, whether their mamas realize it or not!</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
		<link>http://www.mochamomma.com/2007/11/07/11707/comment-page-1/#comment-37340</link>
		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these kids and their nutty parents are lucky to have you-hang in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these kids and their nutty parents are lucky to have you-hang in there!</p>
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		<title>By: mama's got moxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama's got moxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t imagine the amount of willpower you have to conjure up every day to be able to maintain your cool in those crazy situations. you all might have to get a little &quot;joe clark&quot; up in that piece. remember this scene from &quot;lean on me&quot;: 

Joe Clark: I want all of you to take a good look at these people on the risers behind me. These people have been here up to five years and done absolutely nothing. These people are drug dealers and drug users. They have taken up space. They have disrupted this school. They have harassed your teachers. And they have intimidated you. Well, times are about to change. You will not be bothered in Joe Clark&#039;s school. These people are incorrigible. And since none of them could graduate anyway, [turns to the troublemakers on stage] you are all expurgated. You are dismissed! You are out of here, forever. I wish you well! 

for more inspiring joe clark quotes :) :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097722/quotes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#8217;t imagine the amount of willpower you have to conjure up every day to be able to maintain your cool in those crazy situations. you all might have to get a little &#8220;joe clark&#8221; up in that piece. remember this scene from &#8220;lean on me&#8221;: </p>
<p>Joe Clark: I want all of you to take a good look at these people on the risers behind me. These people have been here up to five years and done absolutely nothing. These people are drug dealers and drug users. They have taken up space. They have disrupted this school. They have harassed your teachers. And they have intimidated you. Well, times are about to change. You will not be bothered in Joe Clark&#8217;s school. These people are incorrigible. And since none of them could graduate anyway, [turns to the troublemakers on stage] you are all expurgated. You are dismissed! You are out of here, forever. I wish you well! </p>
<p>for more inspiring joe clark quotes <img src='http://www.mochamomma.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  :<br />
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097722/quotes" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097722/quotes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sueb0b</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sueb0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say it loud...</description>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.mochamomma.com/2007/11/07/11707/comment-page-1/#comment-37337</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really tough to bite your tongue in that situation, and you so did the right thing. Obviously you are the elite person here. It sounds like this kid&#039;s problem is her parents or (lack of). It usually stems back to the parenting, maybe her mother needs to look in the mirror and fix the problem. How is your back feeling?? Should be sore from carrying everyone this week. Have a great day today :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really tough to bite your tongue in that situation, and you so did the right thing. Obviously you are the elite person here. It sounds like this kid&#8217;s problem is her parents or (lack of). It usually stems back to the parenting, maybe her mother needs to look in the mirror and fix the problem. How is your back feeling?? Should be sore from carrying everyone this week. Have a great day today <img src='http://www.mochamomma.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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